Re: Fw: Detecting NetworkSimplicity in setup.exe

["Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" <lhall at rfk dot com>]

At 05:05 PM 11/19/2002, Mark Bradshaw wrote:
>  Maybe some of it would.  I think the problem is that the cygwin installer
>  assumes that you actually know about cygwin and want to install it.  I
>think
>  there's a lot of windows folks who hear about ssh/openssh and want it, but
>  don't know about or want the cygwin environment.  They just want to push
>  "next" a few times and have an openssh server, never mind this bash stuff.
>  I'm not sure you can really "fix" the cygwin installer, since it's not
>  broken.  It's just too general for the task.


It's not clear (to me at least) that this is the major hindrance, although
I'm willing to be convinced otherwise.  Seems to me that the existing Cygwin
setup suffices in this respect if there is a step-by-step installation 
document for those that don't want anything other than what's necessary
to run SSH.  But I'm sure there's improvements to setup that would make 
pre-configured Cygwin installations of specific utilities possible too,
though that's a "future".


>  As I've told Rob I've about reached the end of my interest in doing a
>  separate package.  In fact that's been the case for a while, but I'm not
>  sure I have any good input on how to handle this problem in another fashion
>  other than a separate install process.  I'd certainly be willing to help if
>  someone has a suggestion.


I think the list would benefit from knowing what your installation does
and how it configures things.  It would also be beneficial to know what
are common problems and solutions with your package.  Knowing this helps
pinpoint general user issues.  Is this information you can provide?  If
so, perhaps someone here can help relieve you of the need to provide your
separate installation. ;-)


>  Mark
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)" <lhall@rfk.com>
> > To: "Mark Bradshaw" <bradshaw@staff.crosswalk.com>;
><cygwin-apps@cygwin.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 1:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: Detecting NetworkSimplicity in setup.exe
> >
> >
> > > Perhaps I'm misreading Max's intent but I believe he's suggesting that
> > there
> > > is more to gain by understanding, categorizing, and finding the solution
> > to
> > > users' problems with Cygwin's OpenSSH installation than in trying to
> > generate
> > > a different, incompatible installation.  Wouldn't at least some of what
> > you've
> > > learned about creating your OpenSSH version based on Cygwin be helpful
>in
> > > making the Cygwin installation simpler?  Is there a reason not to pursue
> > this
> > > goal?
> > >
> > > Larry Hall                              lhall@rfk.com
> > > RFK Partners, Inc.                      http://www.rfk.com
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> >


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